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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 01:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for sharing that, Ger. I&#039;m sorry that you had to deal with all of that. I appreciate the serious approach you took.

Patrick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for sharing that, Ger. I&#8217;m sorry that you had to deal with all of that. I appreciate the serious approach you took.</p>
<p>Patrick</p>
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		<title>By: Ger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had this, 3 times till now. Me and my team are moderating a (considerably large) video site.

The first one was a young user, 14 years of age, who was begging for a certain badge. He said &quot;If you don&#039;t give me the badge, I&#039;ll commit suicide. It will be all over the news tomorrow.&quot; No real ip - dynamic one. I spend a lot of time talking to him and trying to estimate is he really serious or not. After all, I didn&#039;t gave him the badge, he didn&#039;t kill himself. (And I spend 2 nights of horror and gained few more white hairs.)

Second one - a spammer - creating sock puppets and spamming in comments with &quot;I want to kill myself, what are the best ways?&quot; We tried to contact him/her, but he/she didn&#039;t respond at all. 3 more days later spam was over - no idea what happened. Was it a scam or a real issue - I have no idea at all. We send the authorities his data tho. 

And the last one (for now) - an active user, who suddenly started to delete all his uploads. After excruciating talking session he revealed that a heart break over this other community member is the reason. He sounded really lost and upset and repeating &quot;life has no meaning now&quot;. He send some of the files he deleted to fellow members to be re-uploaded. That reminded me so strongly to the &quot;giving away valuable stuff&quot; thing! The most shocking, for me at least, was that all of his friends (on the site) were supportive of his decision. He uploaded a farewell video and they all commented &quot;Good for you!&quot; &quot;You should stay clean for a while.&quot; etc. Even if this was true - it sounded awful, like they were pushing him from the cliff. (Example for - &quot;members can inadvertently do more harm than good by trying to help&quot;) I talked to him, convinced him to reconsider and just take a break, to delete the farewell vid, then decide. Meanwhile trying to understand does he have suicide thoughts in mind. He didn&#039;t and eventually everything turned for the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had this, 3 times till now. Me and my team are moderating a (considerably large) video site.</p>
<p>The first one was a young user, 14 years of age, who was begging for a certain badge. He said &#8220;If you don&#8217;t give me the badge, I&#8217;ll commit suicide. It will be all over the news tomorrow.&#8221; No real ip &#8211; dynamic one. I spend a lot of time talking to him and trying to estimate is he really serious or not. After all, I didn&#8217;t gave him the badge, he didn&#8217;t kill himself. (And I spend 2 nights of horror and gained few more white hairs.)</p>
<p>Second one &#8211; a spammer &#8211; creating sock puppets and spamming in comments with &#8220;I want to kill myself, what are the best ways?&#8221; We tried to contact him/her, but he/she didn&#8217;t respond at all. 3 more days later spam was over &#8211; no idea what happened. Was it a scam or a real issue &#8211; I have no idea at all. We send the authorities his data tho. </p>
<p>And the last one (for now) &#8211; an active user, who suddenly started to delete all his uploads. After excruciating talking session he revealed that a heart break over this other community member is the reason. He sounded really lost and upset and repeating &#8220;life has no meaning now&#8221;. He send some of the files he deleted to fellow members to be re-uploaded. That reminded me so strongly to the &#8220;giving away valuable stuff&#8221; thing! The most shocking, for me at least, was that all of his friends (on the site) were supportive of his decision. He uploaded a farewell video and they all commented &#8220;Good for you!&#8221; &#8220;You should stay clean for a while.&#8221; etc. Even if this was true &#8211; it sounded awful, like they were pushing him from the cliff. (Example for &#8211; &#8220;members can inadvertently do more harm than good by trying to help&#8221;) I talked to him, convinced him to reconsider and just take a break, to delete the farewell vid, then decide. Meanwhile trying to understand does he have suicide thoughts in mind. He didn&#8217;t and eventually everything turned for the best.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Paul,

Thanks for the comment. The aim is to get the person into the hands of someone who can help them in person. I understand that it is not perfect, but I believe it is the best solution. What would you suggest as an alternative?

Thanks,

Patrick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Paul,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment. The aim is to get the person into the hands of someone who can help them in person. I understand that it is not perfect, but I believe it is the best solution. What would you suggest as an alternative?</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Patrick</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 15:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And is it any wonder more people don&#039;t seek help, with statements like this? &quot;...If the member has shared both a supposed city of residence with us, as well as a first and last name, efforts will be made to contact law enforcement in that city....&quot; Are you aware that if a person admits to thinking about suicide when calling the national hotline that he or she can be jailed even, requiring bail money and a lawyer, and even then forced into treatment, and &quot;cured&quot; once they&#039;re broke?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And is it any wonder more people don&#8217;t seek help, with statements like this? &#8220;&#8230;If the member has shared both a supposed city of residence with us, as well as a first and last name, efforts will be made to contact law enforcement in that city&#8230;.&#8221; Are you aware that if a person admits to thinking about suicide when calling the national hotline that he or she can be jailed even, requiring bail money and a lawyer, and even then forced into treatment, and &#8220;cured&#8221; once they&#8217;re broke?</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.managingcommunities.com/2009/06/22/dealing-with-suicide-on-your-online-community-or-forums-how-you-can-help-and-protect-everyone/comment-page-1/#comment-2309</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing that, Martin. Good link and I really appreciate it. I&#039;m sorry that you had to deal with that situation, but am glad that this post helped in some small way.

Patrick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing that, Martin. Good link and I really appreciate it. I&#8217;m sorry that you had to deal with that situation, but am glad that this post helped in some small way.</p>
<p>Patrick</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This actually happened recently at Female Forum and I found myself referring back to this post. Not sure if it will be helpful to you, but there is a helpline for those in the UK and Ireland who are feeling depressed or suicidal run by the Samaritans (http://www.samaritans.org/) - numbers are on their website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This actually happened recently at Female Forum and I found myself referring back to this post. Not sure if it will be helpful to you, but there is a helpline for those in the UK and Ireland who are feeling depressed or suicidal run by the Samaritans (<a href="http://www.samaritans.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.samaritans.org/</a>) &#8211; numbers are on their website.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment, Ms. Pritchard. I appreciate you passing the article along.

Though they are more than welcome, with proper COPPA documentation, my communities tend not to have many people under 13. But, if I did have a member who was under 13 and threatened suicide, I would probably start by notifying the guardian that we had on file. If that was unsuccessful, I would attempt to do what I outlined here in this article.

For people 13-17, I would go ahead with what I outlined here. Of course, if you require guardianship information from people of these ages, as well, I&#039;d certainly use that information, too.

I hope that this helps and I hope that others have some thoughts. Thanks for asking us to think about it.

Sincerely,

Patrick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment, Ms. Pritchard. I appreciate you passing the article along.</p>
<p>Though they are more than welcome, with proper COPPA documentation, my communities tend not to have many people under 13. But, if I did have a member who was under 13 and threatened suicide, I would probably start by notifying the guardian that we had on file. If that was unsuccessful, I would attempt to do what I outlined here in this article.</p>
<p>For people 13-17, I would go ahead with what I outlined here. Of course, if you require guardianship information from people of these ages, as well, I&#8217;d certainly use that information, too.</p>
<p>I hope that this helps and I hope that others have some thoughts. Thanks for asking us to think about it.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Patrick</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Pritchard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy Pritchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just retweeted this again today, as we are trying to formulate policy on dealing with this situation as pertaining to minor children.  Any readers&#039; (or author&#039;s) thoughts on the subject would be much appreciated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just retweeted this again today, as we are trying to formulate policy on dealing with this situation as pertaining to minor children.  Any readers&#8217; (or author&#8217;s) thoughts on the subject would be much appreciated!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the kind words, Mr. Hemmer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the kind words, Mr. Hemmer.</p>
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