Dealing with Suicide On Your Online Community or Forums: How You Can Help and Protect Everyone
As a community manager or administrator, the situations we have to deal with are as varied as life itself. For all talk about the online and offline worlds being different, at the end of the day, they have more in common than they do dissimilar. Unfortunately, this is not just the fun, easy parts of life, but also the difficult, challenging ones.
Though it may not be one of the more enjoyable parts of our job, it’s smart and important to ponder what circumstances we may face, even if we haven’t yet faced them. This leads me to what I’d like to talk about today: suicide on our online community, and how we can most effectively help and protect everyone involved. This isn’t about suicide in general, why people think about it, the repercussions of it or anything of that nature – this is strictly about how we should approach it on our communities.
When we think about suicide on an online community or social space, the two recent examples that will probably jump to your head are Abraham K. Biggs’ suicide on Justin.TV and the suicide of Megan Meier, apparently driven by messages exchanged through MySpace.
Before I jump into this subject, I want to be clear that I believe that we are all responsible for our actions as individuals. I don’t think it’s fair to blame Justin.TV, MySpace or any community or social site for the actions of an individual in this sort of case. The nature of communication itself dictates otherwise.
Even if community members egg someone on, the community itself, or the company behind it, does not share responsibility, unless they themselves endorsed it and willingly allowed it. Anyone who encourages someone to do this may share some responsibility, but it is not the primary responsibility and, for my part, I believe that those people will have to live with the repercussions of their actions for the rest of their lives and that is a burden to bare.
However, with that said, that doesn’t mean that total ignorance is an excuse, either. Those of us who care about our communities and care about what we do will not be satisfied with that and will want to be as proactive as possible with respect to all that is at stake in these delicate situations. Since my experience with suicide is limited to third party recounts and research that I have done, I spoke with Linda Dunlap, the Education Director of The Jason Foundation, Inc., an organization dedicated to preventing youth suicide. She was kind enough to offer me feedback and thoughts on these challenges and on aspects of this article and I am thankful for that.
If a suicide thread is posted in your forums, it’ll be natural for members of your site to try to help. The potential is there, as well, for questionable people to try to hurt the situation. Well meaning or not, members can inadvertently do more harm than good by trying to help. It can be dicey to allow your members to comment on this situation and for your community to become deeply invested in it.
This is why I recommend removing the post. Do not dismiss it as someone fooling around – take it seriously. If they, by some chance, do turn out to be someone who is not suicidal, who was just looking to play with people’s emotions and get attention, removing it will discourage them from doing so and you’ll have done the right thing by taking it seriously. This is not a matter for your community, it is far too sensitive for that. After the post has been removed from the public, contact the member directly. In an ideal world, it’s best to consider what you’d like to say and, more importantly, what you’d like your staff members to say – before such a time comes up.
The American Association of Suicidology, the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention, The Jason Foundation and SAVE all have helpful guidelines and ideas for talking to and helping someone who may be suicidal. They all speak of empathy and understanding and the need for action in the form of professional help from doctors, trained personnel and emergency service providers.
The difficulty with this, for community administrators and staff, is that we most likely do not have the relationship with most of our members where we would be the one or the right person to talk to them directly about how they are feeling. Yes, we could attempt it, but we’re not family and we’re probably not a close friend. And, not being a professional, we are concerned that we may do more harm than good.
Understandably, we also have a fear of legal repercussions for a misstep, however well meaning. Getting involved this deeply in someone’s life could open us up to legal action and the scorn and criticism from those that were close to the person, the media, etc., if the worst should happen. It may not be fair, but it is the world we live in. Our responsibility is not to one member, but to the community as a whole.
It’s not insensitive to talk about this – it’s just realistic. We’re compassionate and we want to help – not shun people – and, because of that, we might think we can solve it, but there is such a thing as biting off more than you can chew. It’s important to understand that professional care is paramount in this circumstance. Would you expect a doctor to be able to run your community? OK, then why would you expect to be able to do the work of someone trained to handle these circumstances?
For this reason, it is advisable to contact the member directly and urge them to call an emergency number, a suicide prevention hot line (like 1-800-273-TALK or 1-877-778-CARL in the U.S) or go to their closest emergency room as soon as possible.
One question you may have is “I know what the emergency number is in my country, but what about the country where the member is located?” Thanks to the internet, this can be easily found out. Both Wikipedia and the Santa Clara Country Fire Department maintain helpful lists featuring the emergency numbers in most, if not all countries you are likely to encounter. Making these links a resource available in your staff area will go a long way to a quick response should this situation arise.
Developing policies in advance helps to limit confusion in the event of a suicide threat. In the book, I wrote about my situations guide, which is a separate document from the staff member guidelines, that details common scenarios and how they should be handled. An explanation of site policy pertaining to suicide threats would be a nice addition to this document. Here is what this might look like:
Suicide Threats
If a member suggests or hints, even in the slightest way, that they may be suicidal, it should be taken seriously. As a community, our members may try to help the person in public. In doing so, they may actually cause more harm than good. This is a matter of life and death and is a matter that is above our community and one that we are not suited to handle. The best thing that we can do is to steer them toward professionals who are trained to deal with this sort of situation.
First, send the member who may be suicidal a private message using the Suicide Threat template in our Contact Templates. It may also be your inclination to try to help the person – please resist this urge. It is important that the member be directed to the right people as soon as possible and this is how you can do the most good. After the message is sent, please e-mail me at patrick@ifroggy.com mentioning the situation. Finally, please remove the post and document it in Problem Users. After this, contact each member who had replied to the post with the Suicide Threat Response template and document these messages in Problem Users.
If the member has shared both a supposed city of residence with us, as well as a first and last name, efforts will be made to contact law enforcement in that city.
Also, I am a fan of contact templates, which are template messages that you and your staff can use to contact members on your community related to guideline violations or things that you commonly need to contact your members about. This sort of event won’t be common, most likely, but having a message prepared and ready for your staff to use can eliminate any doubts when it comes to your confidence in handling the situation. It might also be feasible to have a template in place to send to anyone who may have replied to the member, to make sure that they know you are taking it seriously.
Here are some suggestions for how this could work:
Suicide Threat
Before contacting the member, please look on their profile to see if they have indicated the country where they live. With this information, please send one of the following three private messages:
If they are located in the United States:
Hello <USERNAME>,
You are a member of our community and we appreciate you. If you are having thoughts of suicide, please call 911 or go to your local hospital emergency room right away. If you’d like to talk with someone about these feelings, please call 1-800-273-TALK.
Sincerely,
<YOUR NAME>
KarateForums.com SenseiIf they are located outside of the United States, but they have indicated the country where they are located:
Please consult with Wikipedia’s Emergency telephone number page and the Santa Clara County Fire Department’s Emergency Contact Numbers page and locate the country where the person is located. Then, please send this message, carefully ensuring to include their country’s emergency number in the provided space:
Hello <USERNAME>,
You are a member of our community and we appreciate you. If you are having thoughts of suicide, please call <EMERGENCY NUMBER> or go to your local hospital emergency room right away.
Sincerely,
<YOUR NAME>
KarateForums.com SenseiIf their location is unknown:
Hello <USERNAME>,
You are a member of our community and we appreciate you. If you are having thoughts of suicide, please call your local emergency number or go to your local hospital emergency room right away. If you are unsure of the right number to call, please visit this link and call the number next to the country where you are located:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_telephone_number
Sincerely,
<YOUR NAME>
KarateForums.com SenseiSuicide Threat Response
This message goes to a member that had responded to a suicide threat posted by another member.
Hello <USERNAME>,
I wanted to let you know that I have removed the message posted by <USERNAME> that discussed thoughts of suicide. This is very, very serious and is something that is above our community and requires professional attention and care. We are attempting to ensure that <USERNAME> receives this care, as soon as possible. Due to the sensitive nature of this matter, I cannot go into further detail at this time, but I did want you to know that we are treating it with the utmost importance and respect.
Thank you for your time and understanding.
Sincerely,
<YOUR NAME>
KarateForums.com Sensei
I considered the format of these messages carefully and settled on these for a couple of reasons. Though you may know this person some, there is a good chance you don’t know them extremely well. As such, you don’t want to get too personal or say things that may or may not be true about them. But, I also didn’t want to be too sterile or cold, so that is why I included the first sentence. And the most important thing is to get them into the hands of a professional as soon as possible. So, that is why I included the second – and why the message as a whole is very short.
It can be easy to feel helpless in a situation like this. You send your message and… who knows what happens then? That is one of the downsides of internet based communication, you could say. Some may wonder “why not do more?” Whether or not you can do more, really depends on how much information that you have. As indicated in the Situations Guide entry above, if the person has provided a first and last name and location, I will attempt to call the police department in that city and inform them of the situation. But, if we don’t have at least those three things, it becomes very difficult.
We do, most likely, have a legitimate IP address. What can we do with that? Sadly, not much. Most police departments aren’t equipped to take an IP address and turn it into something meaningful – much less in a short enough period of time to potentially stop someone who is seriously contemplating suicide. The location of an IP address can hardly be trusted – presently, my IP address lists a town that is more than 250 miles away from me.
Generally speaking, forums aren’t monitored 24/7. Far from it, in fact. And even if there is a member of staff on the site, a thread could easily be missed. But, the important thing is to take action when it is seen.
You will feel a range of emotions and you’ll want to do more, but you also have to understand that you can only do what you can and you have to be able to live with that. “This is a complex issue and we can only do what we can do, and hope it makes a difference,” Ms. Dunlap told me.
Regardless of what happens, unless you are there urging someone to commit such an act – you are not responsible and though it’s natural for you to feel sadness, it’s unfair to take blame. This is why it is important to think about it before it happens – know what you will do, have a plan of action and do your best to execute it. This will put you in the best position to protect your community, to help people and, perhaps, to save a life.






Not something I can even imagine having to manage or deal with online, however, this post is a great reminder that there are real, live people behind all these screen names flying around before our eyes. They have challenges and struggles just like us and we need to be aware of that and treat everyone with respect and patience.
So, as I talked to you on Skype, this is a really hard topic. I think many people that post online about their suicidal feelings want either attention or intervention. They want people to give meaning and value to their lives. Despite the population ballooning to over 6 billion people, it is far too easy to feel disconnected and disillusioned with the world we live in and the lives we lead.
I think what you have done here is something extremely difficult, and while you’ve come up with the best ideas for protecting a community, I worry that those that are sent messages relating to getting help, won’t seek out the help they need, and will feel shunned when their cry for help or attention is deleted from a forum they feel part of.
After our long conversation though, we couldn’t come up with anything better, and so what you’ve written above, still remains the best solution for dealing with such highly unstable and powerful emotional states.
I really hope that those that receive such messages, do seek out the help that they need, and I also hope that forum moderators and the like will be respectful of the privacy concerns such things bring up.
This is one of the hardest topics to deal with in any community of any size, and I hope that all those running blogs, forums, or any type of site that allows for public interaction will find this post, and bookmark it as a resource in case this situation arises.
Hey David,
Thanks so much for the comment. I’m glad that you believe it’s useful and I really appreciate you adding your thoughts. This is such a difficult topic.
The issue of being shunned is one that was important in my mind while I was writing this article and I spent hours and hours on the contact templates alone as I wanted to strike the right balance of compassion and action. It’s tough because a forum moderator isn’t really in a position to discuss these feelings, but you don’t want the person to feel alone, either.
This is why, in the U.S. template, I included a bit about calling a hotline to discuss their feelings. This was more difficult with the international one, of course.
I guess part of the overriding theme from everything I considered for this article is that talking about it in a public space online can be just as likely to send the situation spiraling downward as it is to help.
The templates are just a suggestion, so I expect anyone using them to consider their situation, make adjustments and do what they feel is best.
Thanks again,
Patrick
Hi Patrick, a very thorough and useful post. As a Mod of a parenting site we often deal with members experiencing post-natal depression (not to mention the havoc sleep deprivation wreaks on your mental state).
We have a template sheet and a clear escalation process. In certain circumstances we will contact the police for a “welfare check”.
One of the benefits of having a team of volunteer Moderators is that they are members and often know of, and/or, have a rapport with members. So they make contact them in addition to Admin. This helps strike the balance of compassion/action you talk of.
We often allow the discussion to continue, so members can offer support but we make it clear we are aware of the situation. We do not disclose our actions however. As David mentions this sometimes may be the only “lifeline” for a member.
The laws would differ in the USA but I know here we do have to be very careful about assuming a duty of care where we get too involved.
This process also applies to child at risk of harm.
Yet another post that highlights the importance of the Community Manager role, and also the level of seniority required for the position.
Hey Ms. Michalk,
Thanks so much for taking the time to read and comment. I really appreciate it. I would love to see that template sheet and escalation process (in private, even) if permission could be granted. That’s great that you have a process in place.
My moderators are volunteers, as well, so we’re lucky to have that benefit, too, but I think you said something very important when you said “here we do have to be very careful about assuming a duty of care where we get too involved.”
I think one thing I might need to clarify about this post is that I am talking about suicide threats, specifically. There is definitely a difference between being depressed and saying “I’m thinking about killing myself.” If someone were to start a thread sharing some difficult times in their life, that wouldn’t be something to remove, etc. But, if they started a thread suggesting they were suicidal, then I’d look to take some sort of action.
Thanks for the kind words on the post!
Patrick
Thank you, Patrick, for this thoughtful and practical guide.
Thanks for saying so, Wendy. I really appreciate it.
Patrick
Suicide posts, are a very scary thought, both in the online world and off-line world, I can say I did experience this once. One of our members had made a suicide post, and said he was ending his life, luckily he didn’t do it… but its still quite a scary thing to deal with for everyone involved.
-Kevin
Very useful information. Thanks for this. You got a great blog .I will be interested in more similar topics.
Thanks for the kind words, Mr. Hemmer.
Just retweeted this again today, as we are trying to formulate policy on dealing with this situation as pertaining to minor children. Any readers’ (or author’s) thoughts on the subject would be much appreciated!
Thanks for the comment, Ms. Pritchard. I appreciate you passing the article along.
Though they are more than welcome, with proper COPPA documentation, my communities tend not to have many people under 13. But, if I did have a member who was under 13 and threatened suicide, I would probably start by notifying the guardian that we had on file. If that was unsuccessful, I would attempt to do what I outlined here in this article.
For people 13-17, I would go ahead with what I outlined here. Of course, if you require guardianship information from people of these ages, as well, I’d certainly use that information, too.
I hope that this helps and I hope that others have some thoughts. Thanks for asking us to think about it.
Sincerely,
Patrick
This actually happened recently at Female Forum and I found myself referring back to this post. Not sure if it will be helpful to you, but there is a helpline for those in the UK and Ireland who are feeling depressed or suicidal run by the Samaritans (http://www.samaritans.org/) – numbers are on their website.
Thanks for sharing that, Martin. Good link and I really appreciate it. I’m sorry that you had to deal with that situation, but am glad that this post helped in some small way.
Patrick